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I am selling my Hero 7 and going to the Hero 9 because i get all the new features, but not sure if it is worth going from Hero 8 to Hero 9 though, depends on how much you can get for your Hero 8 kit.

The Hero 9 is bigger, and it uses a different battery so i will need to sell my complete Hero 7 kit and buy new 9 model, can't use batteries from the 7.

For me going from 7 to 9 is a very big jump, i can now record in 4k/60p in linear mode, and also have Hypersmooth as well.
 

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I just returned my H9 for an H8.... I could not deal with having to buy new editing software and load or buy codecs just to play the videos with the new h.265 codec format. (Sorry I refuse to use GoPro's editing and player apps) The 8 does the job for me... and it's smaller and lighter (just like your H7). I also had issues with it locking up using the quick capture (one button press to start up and record) no matter what I did. So far I am please with the H8.... until they offer the old file format and fix the bugs I will stick with the H 8 for now. I also do not need 5K recording... I mean seriously, unless you are a movie producer most people post on Youtube in 1080p anyway. I know there are cropping benefits to shooting in higher resolutions, but I rarely need to do that. For these reasons I personally cannot recommend the H9 at this time and I think the H8 has fantastic quality video.
 

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Can i ask what format are you recording your videos at, and what is your current editing software, as i am just curious why you don't want to use the new HEVC recording mode.

Also, why do you need to install codecs to play HEVC files, every TV now will play HEVC files, the same as every laptop or computer using VLC or other media players will also play HEVC without the need to install codecs, actually nobody has had to install any sort of codecs on a computer or laptop for years now, so maybe you are still using an old computer.

I love HEVC (h265) and i won't ever go back to using AVC, it records the same quality video at 35% less file size than the old AVC (h264) format, and for me that is a game changer right there.

Also, you do not have to go out and buy expensive software to edit HEVC, most cheap editing tools will do it now days, so obviously you have not looked very hard, and if your editing software cannot open or edit HEVC files then it must be one of those cheapies, or some freeware version, and possibly old software as well, so maybe it is time to upgrade that as well.

I currently record in 2.7k/60p on my Hero 7 because it has Hypersmooth, where 4k/60p does not, the Hero 9 will do 4k/60p with Hypersmooth and that is also the game breaker for me as well.

I agree that 5k is pointless on such a camera, but you also need to understand more about video resolutions and why many people want to record at the highest possible resolution, as it allows them to shoot at a high resolution, then they will export at a lower resolution, but the high resolution source file allows them to crop all of, or parts of the source file before exporting.

I would highly recommend that you go buy a license for a software called Video ReDo you can get the TV Suite version 6, or the Professional version 6 that i use.

These will import HEVC and AVC files from a GoPro, you can cut bits out, add titles etc, and join the file back together without the need to re-encode the video file.

I suggest that you download the trial version of TV Suite first and try it, there may be a limitation on the file duration for the trial version, but it should give you an idea of what it is like, you can buy it for us$95 after that, but in my opinion it is the best non professional editing software on the market, they even have a forum, and the license is for a lifetime.


Also, did you know that if you record in HEVC you can use a free open source encoder called Handbrake to transcode the HEVC files to your preferred AVC format so you can then edit them using your current editing software.


Sometimes in life you just need to move with the times, for most people HEVC is the new game changer in video, and maybe it is time that you moved on as well.(y)
 

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Also, i forgot to mention that i am moving to the Hero 9 now because i will be using my Hero 7 a lot more soon, and i was going to buy a dual charger and 3 extra batteries and a few more 256gb cards, but selling my Hero 7 now will allow me to upgrade to the 9 model so i can then buy those added accessories for the 9 instead, and i get to record 4k/60p with hypersmooth in HEVC, and i can also use 512gb micro sd cards as well, so i can fit more video on each card, and the batteries also record for longer as well.

For me the Hero 9 is the best upgrade that GoPro has ever made, and sure some people have experienced problems with the 9, but so too did a lot of people experience problems with every other model that was released, and that is why i am buying my new Hero 9 from the GoPro online store, as i will get the camera with battery, a 64gb card, a spare battery, and 1 year full subscription to GoPro which gives me full protection of the camera if something goes wrong, and the bundle will only cost me AU$529 which is a whole lot cheaper than any other place.
 

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Can i ask what format are you recording your videos at, and what is your current editing software, as i am just curious why you don't want to use the new HEVC recording mode.

Also, why do you need to install codecs to play HEVC files, every TV now will play HEVC files, the same as every laptop or computer using VLC or other media players will also play HEVC without the need to install codecs, actually nobody has had to install any sort of codecs on a computer or laptop for years now, so maybe you are still using an old computer.

I love HEVC (h265) and i won't ever go back to using AVC, it records the same quality video at 35% less file size than the old AVC (h264) format, and for me that is a game changer right there.

Also, you do not have to go out and buy expensive software to edit HEVC, most cheap editing tools will do it now days, so obviously you have not looked very hard, and if your editing software cannot open or edit HEVC files then it must be one of those cheapies, or some freeware version, and possibly old software as well, so maybe it is time to upgrade that as well.

I currently record in 2.7k/60p on my Hero 7 because it has Hypersmooth, where 4k/60p does not, the Hero 9 will do 4k/60p with Hypersmooth and that is also the game breaker for me as well.

I agree that 5k is pointless on such a camera, but you also need to understand more about video resolutions and why many people want to record at the highest possible resolution, as it allows them to shoot at a high resolution, then they will export at a lower resolution, but the high resolution source file allows them to crop all of, or parts of the source file before exporting.

I would highly recommend that you go buy a license for a software called Video ReDo you can get the TV Suite version 6, or the Professional version 6 that i use.

These will import HEVC and AVC files from a GoPro, you can cut bits out, add titles etc, and join the file back together without the need to re-encode the video file.

I suggest that you download the trial version of TV Suite first and try it, there may be a limitation on the file duration for the trial version, but it should give you an idea of what it is like, you can buy it for us$95 after that, but in my opinion it is the best non professional editing software on the market, they even have a forum, and the license is for a lifetime.


Also, did you know that if you record in HEVC you can use a free open source encoder called Handbrake to transcode the HEVC files to your preferred AVC format so you can then edit them using your current editing software.


Sometimes in life you just need to move with the times, for most people HEVC is the new game changer in video, and maybe it is time that you moved on as well.(y)
Wow, well a lot of questions...

To start off thank you for your suggestions. IF I were to want to "move forward" I would get after your suggestions. I guess most will consider me "old school". I dislike when different "better" formats are FORCED onto you. I mean for instance the GP8 has the OPTION to have the "old" (but by far still the most widely used) h.264 codec and the GP9 lost this option DUMB!!!!

I get the cropping, but seriously, how many GoPro users are shooting at 5K (or even 4K for that matter) then cropping down to 1080 just to get some small detail in the frame? These are "SPORT/ACTION" cameras, most want the widest field of view possible, not cropping down to tunnel vision - leave that to the hard core movie producers!

File size? Sure, smaller with good quality is a good thing BUT if I have to reconfigure my players, editing software and computer just to handle a different file format, forget it, at least for now.

Just FYI I'm using Adobe Premier Elements 2018.... I'm not going to drop another $whatever just because THEY also want to grab at my pocket book and not upgrade the 2018 to the new codec. Total BS when you can get GREAT quality with the "old stuff".

Yes, I know about transcoding.... but who has that time?! I want to shoot, minimal edit and post. Not spend my time converting files.

The "problem" I see in this industry and the whole hi-tech industry is marketing bells and whistles that we don't really want or need (or most of us anyway).

I would rather pay more for a better camera that has better reliability (doesn't lock up, have slow touch screen problems etc.) better lenses, better sensors (low light capability) that pushing when GoPro perceives as what the masses needs.

I used to do do "helmet cam reviews" over 10 years ago when we used bullet cameras and small DVR recorders. GoPro changed all that, but they (IMO) have rarely listened to the general public on what THEY want, it's all about marketing and hype over the "latest and greatest". It's no wonder their stock has floundered and they are barely alive today. (I could go into the whole Karma drone thing - I do that too, ever since they were being developed) but that is another story.

I guess I'm sort of pissed that they release these new models just based on what they THINK the public wants or needs. They, IMO, need to take a step back into reality. For the size and weight of the GP9 it should have a 1" sensor and better low light capabilities. The next thing you know they will be coming out with the GP10 with 8K?! Who cares??! Who even watches much in 4k... even today?!

Yes, a bit of a rant, but I expected WAY more from the GP 9... (at least less buggy!) which is why I returned it and went with the GP8. At least I can watch my files and edit my footage... and guess what, no one will have the slightest notion it was a GP 8 vs GP 9, especially when posted on YouTube. If I'm making a cinematic movie, different story.

Thank you for your suggestions, this is not against you or your opinions, these are my feelings towards GoPro :)
 

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Sorry but all i can say to you after reading your post is what more do you expect from a US$400 camera that records UP TO 5k video, like every single GoPro model has had the same issues that you mention here, nothing has changed, the problem that i see from many GoPro users is a lot of bitching and laziness, bitching about a simple issue but too dam lazy to contact GoPro or the store that sold you the camera, and have the dam thing replaced under warranty, it is that simple, so i have no sympathy what so ever for anyone who has a faulty camera, bitches in here about it, but refuse to get off their butt and have it replaced.

If you want better touch screens, better stabilization, and better low light filming, then may i suggest that you go out and spend thousands of $$$ on a far superior camera that does all that stuff, but then be prepared to lug around a much bigger and heavier camera, and much more expensive recording cards, batteries and accessories.

As far as anyone forcing new recording modes or codecs on you, that too is a load of crap, you seem like an old fuddy duddy who simply lives in the past and just refuses to move forward and reap the rewards that these new cameras, recording modes and new codecs have to offer, and as far as upgrading your software and having to pay for it just to get support for 4k video and HEVC Editing is crap, which is why i recommended that you use a program like Video ReDo, you pay a once off fee of $95 for a lifetime license, and they are always working on their software to add more features, which you get for free, and whenever they create a new build with new features, you are notified when you open the software interface.

$95 for a program that cuts your videos and joins them together without transcoding is brilliant, and if all you do is shoot, cut, export and play, then this is the most ideal software for you, and throw away your lame Premier Elements.

As far as people playing 4k videos goes, you obviously don't get out very much, a lot of people have access to 4k video and want to watch it in 4k, so off they go and buy a nice new 4k TV to play them on (via a USB device) and i can just say that buying a 65" 4k TV was the best thing that i ever did, these things can play any 1080p or 4k AVC and HEVC files by default, and have you ever watched a DVD video file on a 4k TV, these new TV's upscale them beautifully to display at 4k.

Another point, if you seriously think that the new GoPro 9 is big enough for a 1" sensor then you seriously should give up shooting video all together, because that is the silliest thing you have written so far, and do you have any idea how much a 1" sensor actually costs to make, and then consider how much more the GoPro 9 would cost over what it costs you now, it would be thousands of $$$ not $400 that it is right now.

In my opinion GoPro have done an amazing job to get such features and video quality from such a small and very cheap camera, so stop complaining and be dam greatful for what you got for the small amount of money you paid, yes there are some issues, but nothing is perfect, just report the issue you have and get a replacement camera, because not all Hero 9 owners have reported the same issues as you have, maybe you just got a dud, and the Hero 8 had just as many problems as the 9, you only have to read them here in this forum.

It is 2021 not the dark ages, i am 65 and i love all this new technology, it just keeps getting better, and i have been using Video ReDo Professional editing software for 5 years now, and i never had to pay any more money to get all the new features that they have added in that time, i can import my AVC or HEVC files, cut them, add titles and credits, and export back to the same format and it is completed in just a few moments.

Stop complaining and move on, you have no idea what you are missing out on, and if you are uploading your precious videos to youtube after retaining your high quality recorded files after editing them, then you have already destroyed the quality because we all know that youtube transcodes and compresses your files extensively to lower the bitrates for playing back in their website, and if someone downloads your videoa, they get the youtube version with all the lost quality.

Maybe next your going to complain about Youtube destroying your videos :mad:
 

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Just to let you know regarding the 1" sensor that you referred to, the Hero 9 has a 1/2.3" sensor, which is 6.3mm x 4.7mm in size, a 1" sensor is almost 4 times that size, coming in at 13.2mm x 8.8mm, so you can imagine how much bigger the lens would have to be on the Hero 9 if they could get the 1" sensor into the body, increasing the lens would then increase the camera size and weight, and all this would mean that the Hero 9 would no longer have the small footprint that it currently has, and it is this small size that many action camera owners want and need, and most likely happy to trade off the sensor size for the small camera size and small price as well.
 
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